Athletics & Rays & Mets
Submitted by: LetsGoMetsLGM
Athletics
| Name | Age | Level | P1 | P2 | Availability | Years | AFV | Salary | Surplus | Low | Median | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Osleivis Basabe | Minors | SS | 3.3 | 2.6 | 3.3 | 4 | ||||||
| Mark Vientos | Minors | 3B | 15.4 | 12.3 | 15.4 | 18.5 |
Total Value:
18.7
Rays
| Name | Age | Level | P1 | P2 | Availability | Years | AFV | Salary | Surplus | Low | Median | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jose Butto | Minors | RHP | 1.1 | 0.9 | 1.1 | 1.3 | ||||||
| JD Davis | 28 | Majors | 3B | 1B | Medium | 3 | 18.2 | 6.8 | 11.4 | 9.1 | 11.4 | 13.7 |
| Junior Santos | Minors | RHP | 1.1 | 0.8 | 1.1 | 1.4 |
Total Value:
13.6
Mets
| Name | Age | Level | P1 | P2 | Availability | Years | AFV | Salary | Surplus | Low | Median | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Pete Fairbanks | 27 | Majors | RHRP | Medium | 4 | 17.4 | 6.9 | 10.5 | 8.4 | 10.5 | 12.6 | |
| Sean Manaea | 29 | Majors | SP | High | 1 | 28.6 | 10.1 | 18.5 | 14.8 | 18.5 | 22.2 |
Total Value:
29
Comments
19The Mets get a relief arm and Manaea to be an SP3 rental. The Rays get to fix JD Davis and make him a superstar, along with two AA arms. The As get Vientos, a true power bat, and a SS prospect. Not sure if this is better for the Rays, but I will be posting many of these deals with Davis and Manaea moving forward since Montas is pretty much off the board.
All right grover, my resident As supporter, I have some questions: 1. Do you want one of the Marlins young pitching prospects? NOT Sixto, but any of the others? Which ones and why? 2. Which players on the As are available for trade aside from the big 5? So far, I’ve been shot down when I attempted to include Tony Kemp, Elvis Andrus, AJ Puk, and Lou Trivino in any deals? Who else is available from the As that you are willing to move to calibrate trades? 3. I guess this means I won’t give up on Montas, even though a deal for Manaea or Bassitt is staring us in the face, and most fans seem to like it — center a deal around Vientos for one of the starters, with pitching prospect add-ons. This is always in the back of my mind — there is a deal. 4. That said, I think the Mets should target Montas because of his two years of eligibility, and the Mets should be willing to move Mauricio and Vientos to make that happen. Unfortunately, the As (you) don’t want Mauricio, or that deal would be done. I’m efforting to find a third party to make this work. So far, we have seen the following shot down: 1. The Rays young pitcher that starts with C. 2. Barrero from the Reds. 3. Hoglund, Groshans, and other prospects from the Blue Jays. 4. Any White Sox prospect — No Cespedes or Vaughn. 5. Hold the Mayo jokes. That’s a lot of negativity, but I’m willing to persevere since there must be something there, and the lockout isn’t ending any time soon.
That's a lot of questions and I'm about to call it a night. The one point I'd make now is that Ginn/Megill/Vientos is a good deal for Montas and I think it got a big, negative response because you had Puk in the mix. I was planning on posting a Pukless version tomorrow to test my theory but if you'd like to do it tonight... be my guest. G'nite.
Miami: I like Meyer and Eury Perz because of their ceilings. I think Cabrera, as a guy that's made it to the Show but hasn't quite figured it out, would be an Oakland target as well. Oakland trade pieces: I think the compressed time frame post-lockout is going to limit Oakland's ability to find backstop pieces. Olson and Chapman are gone, Pinder and Brown are going to fill in behind them. Andrus and Kemp up the middle, Laureano in CF after his suspension. The bullpen has maybe three guys, Trivino included, so I think they hold on to him when the madness starts. There's still a contingent in Oakland's FO that think Puk can start and there will be opportunities galore in Oakland this year. I think Sean Murphy will be shopped because of the market demand but a replacement will be necessary before they can pull that trigger. If Toronto pushes hard for Chapman I'd expect a guy like McGuire to be in the mix. Montas: I think Vientos/Megill/Ginn is a good deal even though the TV doesn't line up perfect. The bigger question is, can the Mets afford to part with the depth by including Megill? Maybe the A's do like Mauricio... in which case I will stake my flag on the hill and say they will regret the decision. And then I'll wish him the best and hope he proves me wrong.
I could see the Rays trade Fairbanks for Davis, although I would prefer 2 lesser valued players instead. It’s none of my business, but my opinion on the A’s trades is simple. They have such a bad Farm that they should be willing to accept any quality prospect who is below AA, regardless of position. No one knows the future or which project will succeed or fail at the highest level. The A’s need talent…plain and simple. I can see them being more concerned with positional need at AA or higher, but not by much. The A’s are going to be a very bad team once they unload Montas, Manaea, Bassitt, Olson, Chapman and anyone else they can trade. Talent is talent, and the A’s can always flip players they acquire 1-2 years down the road. Saying no to middle infield prospects because of Nick Allen isn’t logical in my opinion. That said, pitching is always the best commodity to receive in trades.
Hey, I’m in total agreement with you, but trades have to make sense for all sides. I think the Mets have to deal multiple players NOW to be competitive next year because they have too many holes to fill. That said, the deals must make sense for all teams involved, and I want to be fair without constantly over asking for trade targets. Some of my trades may be more fanciful than others (see: any trade that involves the Mets shedding Cano’s contract, but I’m honestly trying to find a fit, not just throw numbers together.
The Mets are in a different boat than the A's. The Mets are trying to win in 2022. The A's won't be trying to win until 2026. Every player in the A's organization is trade bait right now, even prospects. If the Phillies wanted Nick Allen for their hole at SS, the A's would see if a deal could be made. Nick Allen will be well into arbitration before the A's are good again. Why keep him if another team is willing to pay fair value. Curious though, what positions do the Mets still need to fill outside pitching?
I would not call you a hypocrite because that's not a very nice thing to say to someone. You're right, Oakland's system is bad. You're wrong, Colmenarez isn't a MUCH better prospect than Allen... but I've also accepted that Future Nick Allen could travel back in time to just before the prospect lists were printed this winter, carrying his 15 Gold Gloves and HOF plaque, and he'd still get ranked #3 in Oakland's system.
LOL... Are you Nick Allen??? Nick Allen is going to struggle to be an overall elite player because he lacks power. Guys like him can have a handful of good seasons at the plate, but for the most part they just don't provide the value at the plate that someone with a little bit of power provides. Dee Gordon is the comp I use with X.Edwards, and he applies to Allen too. Nick Allen may be an elite defender. We will see. But his profile is probably someone who is an 80-100 wRC+ hitter in the Majors. Combined with his defense, he might be a 2-4 fWAR player in his prime. There's a lot of value there, but the league doesn't value elite defenders with below average bats, which is what I meant when I said Colmenarez was a better prospect. Colmenarez currently profiles as an above average defender with above average hit and power tools. He still has to develop of course, but right now he is the superior prospect with a higher ceiling (albeit a lower floor too).
I am, in fact... not Nick Allen. But I do believe him to be under-rated by the prospect watching community.
The Mets needs, and they are glaring: 1. SP3 to slot in behind deGrom and Scherzer. Carrasco and Walker are too shaky to trust for a full season, let alone someone to carry the load if deGrom gets hurt. 2. 4th outfielder, if not 2 more outfielders. Dom Smith and JD Davis should never play LF. 3. 3B or 2B upgrade — if the Mets are serious about moving McNeil, and they cut Cano, someone needs to start on the infield. They obviously don’t want Davis playing 3rd, although I don’t hate him there. The Mets are trying to fix Brodie Van Wagenen’s mistakes. 4. Depth reliever like Yusei Kikuchi (my target). 5. Late inning reliever — this could be from the free agent market (Tepera, McHugh, there are a number of options). 6. Lefty reliever — currently none on the staff. I’m not a huge Chafin fan, but the Mets need someone to get Bryce Harper and Freddie Freeman out in a big spot. Whoever it is can’t get owned every time.
Meh. Unbeliever! Oakland will be relevant again by 2025, the year BEFORE Allen is arb-eligible. I also find it ironic that you proclaim everyone in Oakland's system is available in trade but heavens forbid anyone expect to acquire a kid like Colmenarez from a Win Now team like Tampa.
HAHA. Yeah, I'm a nonbeliever. I expect the tear down to take 2 years and then another 2-3 years to get back to relevance. I'd feel different if the A's Farm wasn't so bad, but it is and it will take time to rebuild. I'm not too much a hypocrite. With Colmenarez, I don't think the Rays would trade him essentially in a 1:1 trade for Davis, who is a solid, but not elite player. I'd be more willing to trade him for Manaea though, if the QO draft pick compensation system remains. Then the Rays get a solid year of pitching and a potential high upside prospect. The last QO player the Rays had was Alex Cobb. The draft pick they received from his signing turned into Shane McClanahan. But I also think Colmenarez is a MUCH better prospect than Nick Allen. It's not exactly apples to apples.
You make a very fair point. But it's also fair to say that if you aren't stock piling arms it's really hard to develop pitchers. You can go back nearly 20 years, back to the Hudson and Mulder deals, when the A's trade starting pitchers they get an arm or arms back in the deal.
Grover - I'm not arguing against that. If I'm the A's, I'm demanding a pitching prospect in every trade for Montas, Bassitt and Manaea. It's the best way to restock the cupboard - pitcher trades have to include pitching prospects (which is why I want the same for Glasnow). I now see I misread your post. You're not saying you reject Basabe just because he's far off or because he plays SS. You want a pitcher in any trade for Manaea. Makes sense. I would too.
Fair 'nuff.
I’m just loving this discussion. I think there may be a trade between the Mets and Rays: Davis For Fairbanks Another piece Or Two smaller relievers than Fairbanks. The Mets definitely need an impact arm or two in the bullpen.
The Fairbanks for Davis trade makes the most sense to me, but if the Mets are looking for something different, what about this - https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/trade-72030/
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Oakland really doesn't need another low valued SS prospect. They'd be much better off with arms.