Brewers & Red Sox

July 14, 2022

Brewers

Name	Age	Level	P1	P2	Availability	Years	AFV	Salary	Surplus	Low	Median	High
Alex Binelas		Minors	1B						3	2.4	3	3.6
J.D. Martinez	34	Majors	DH	OF	High	0.5	11.2	9.7	1.5	1.2	1.5	1.8
John Schreiber	28	Majors	RHRP		Medium	4.5	11.4	1.9	9.5	7.6	9.5	11.4
Alex Verdugo	26	Majors	OF		Low	2.5	40.7	16	24.7	19.7	24.7	29.6

Total Value:

38.7

Red Sox

Name	Age	Level	P1	P2	Availability	Years	AFV	Salary	Surplus	Low	Median	High
Josh Hader	28	Majors	LHRP		Very low	1.5	51.1	22	29.1	23.3	29.1	35
Tyrone Taylor	28	Majors	OF		High	4.5	27	13	14	11.2	14	16.8

Total Value:

43.1

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Stearnsfan

July 14, 2022 at 3:42 PM

Verdugo plays CF.

aautry169

July 14, 2022 at 3:42 PM

Stearnsfan this one would be tricky, but interesting. Questions that will have to be answered. Will the Brewers' owner allow their GM to take on an additional $6M? Verdugo is a negative defender in CF and it would force Milwaukee to use up a roster spot for a legit CF for late innings defensive purposes. The Brewers are one of the best OFs in defensive runs saved. How much will Verdugo hurt that? Is his bat worth it? IMO, they really need offensive help and to do so they will have to sacrifice defense in the OF and hope it doesn't cost them. I believe Schreiber is the one who really makes this trade worth it for Milwaukee. He comes with 4.5 years of control and is a good 7-8th inning guy allowing Williams to move to the closer's spot.

Stearnsfan

October 27, 2023 at 10:38 PM

Thanks for your comments. Please see the comments I posted in response to Spikes below. Additionally, here is some commentary from a similar trade I posted that you may not have seen. I think Stearns has the imagination but obviously he doesn’t have the financial support. In my opinion you either go for it or you don’t because that pitching bill is coming due fast and they need to win now. You never know what the future holds, especially in baseball. Hopefully, MA goes for it because the Milwaukee faithful have certainly been good to his investment in the Brewers (increase in franchise value, 13th highest attendance figure, five county tax for the stadium) yet he still wants more. MA, I implore you, let the urge to buy a premier soccer team die. I realize it is fashionable to keep up with the Jones’, or Khan’s, or whomever in the hedge fund universe, but win one here first. All of this talk about small market team economics and payroll is somewhat bullshit. MA, talk with the Lasry’s down the street. Hell, talk with Giannis. He’s an owner now. He’s got some change rolling around in his pocket. Anyway, yes, MA has Cain’s prorated $17 million left, not $17 million. I think you probably meant to prorate that like you did with the other amounts. Now, why would the addition of Verdugo and Martinez banish Cutch and Renfroe to the bench? Here’s how I see the alignment: LF Cutch/Yelich/Martinez CF Verdugo/Taylor/Cutch https://www.overthemonster.com/2021/1/15/22230899/mlb-top-center-fielders-alex-verdugo RF Renfroe/Taylor/Martinez DH Martinez/Yelich/Cutch The best guys play. Period. And don’t tell me Verdugo can’t play CF. The Brewers need offensive production from that outfield and this team has the skipper and analytics to put the team in the best position to win. This trade gives them a chance. The trade for Fulmer gives them a chance too. Again, the best guys play. Fulmer is either the closer or Williams graduates to closer. Alexander gives them a 27 year old arm with promise if they don’t want to retain Fulmer. 1Reply

Spikes

July 14, 2022 at 3:42 PM

I like the players the Brewers get in this trade, but I agree with Aautry169 that CF defense may suffer. I guess if Milwaukee could live with Renfro or McCutchan in CF, Martinez could DH and Verdugo and Yelich at the corners. I think that would really help the lineup. I was always high on Verdugo, and I'm surprised he's not hitting better this year. I do think his left-handed bat would do better in Milwaukee than Boston. Schreiber would be a good player to get in a trade for Hader. I also like trading Hader to the American League. Getting Binelas back is a nice bonus. A well thought out trade. I think Boston would have to believe in Taylors continued improvement to approve the trade.

Stearnsfan

July 14, 2022 at 3:42 PM

Thank you for your commentary. I can't take full credit for this trade. JMONT suggested the addition of Schreiber and Renfroe. I wasn't inclined to include Renfroe. As it relates to Verdugo in CF, I don't know if you saw this link posted in the remarks section for a similar trade I posted. It is a somewhat interesting read but stats are stats and they change. The article referenced Verdugo's Dodger years and in 2019 he played CF well. I can understand the reticence of using him in CF once you look at some of the current Baseball Reference numbers for CF. https://www.overthemonster.com/2021/1/15/22230899/mlb-top-center-fielders-alex-verdugo I say you pull the trigger on a trade now so you can use July and early August as a proving ground to see if Verdugo could be the CF from 2019. Is it a Boston thing or not? Would Chaim insist on getting Renfroe back because JBJ still sucks and he'd want to save face? Does Chaim care about that? Who knows? Does the allure of bringing in a closer to slam the door shut on the Yankees and others appeal to the Bosox? Additionally, this could simultaneously provide Verdugo and Chaim a fresh start and move past the specter of Mookie Betts. In short, a piece from the Mookie Betts trade allowed for the eventual return of a superstar while allowing for future building blocks (Downs).

Spikes

July 14, 2022 at 3:42 PM

I did read those comments, but it was after I wrote the above post. If Verdugo could be a good defense CF then that makes this trade all the better. I would be surprised if Boston made this trade, but I guess if they want Hader bad enough, it just might work.

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