Mets
| Name | Age | Level | P1 | P2 | Availability | Years | AFV | Salary | Surplus | Low | Median | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Yandy Diaz | 33 | Majors | 1B | Medium | 2 | 45.4 | 22 | 23.4 | 18.7 | 23.4 | 28 |
Total Value:
23.4
Rays
| Name | Age | Level | P1 | P2 | Availability | Years | AFV | Salary | Surplus | Low | Median | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Brett Baty | 25 | Majors | 3B | Medium | 5 | 14.2 | 7.1 | 7.1 | 5.7 | 7.1 | 8.6 | |
| Kevin Parada | 22 | Minors | C | OF | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.7 | 1.3 | 1.7 | 2.1 | |
| Jeremy Rodriguez | 18 | Minors | SS | 0 | 0 | 0 | 13.5 | 10.8 | 13.5 | 16.2 |
Total Value:
22.3
I think that’s a bit misconception with the Rays. Lowe is a strong trade candidate as well which means Baty could play either corner OF, 3B, 2B, or 1B which could be an interest for them. Also Caminero seems more like to play SS
Caminero is projected to be a 3rd baseman. He played little SS, but that’s not where any scout thinks he’ll be. Williams is their future SS. I just don’t see them being interested in Baty. The Mets blew through almost all of his minor league options and he keeps on disappointing in the majors. He’s an average bench bat for the Rays.
Just by savant numbers between them Baty project as a better 3B and Caminero has a negative OAA. This also allows him the get more development at AAA. Do over evaluate Diaz
Dude - Give it up. Caminero was the #1 overall prospect in baseball for a reason. He looked good last year in limited action in the Majors (105 wRC+ and 0.6 fWAR). He’s only 21 to Baty’s 25 and outperforming Baty. At the end of the day, the Rays promoted JC last year in a go-nowhere year. The Rays feel he is ready. He may still be a work in process in the field, having played 3B for just a couple years, but he is both the present and the future at 3B for the Rays. They aren’t going to mess with his development by sending him down. Maybe Baty makes sense for the Rays as an outfielder at the trade deadline, but he doesn’t make much sense now (and he makes zero sense at 3B). No armchair argument is going to change that. Trust the Rays fans on this.
This conversation was never about Caminero or you trying to sell me on how good he is. All I’m saying the longer Diaz is held on his value will drop. Getting a Baty, Jeremy Rodriguez (soon to be 100 top prospect) and flyer in Parada(maybe needs a position change) could be as good as the Rays will get for Diaz who is close to his mid 30s. As you can see that market is not the greatest. This isn’t an arm chair conversation but purely facts without getting sentimental about your team players.
Well, on that issue (Rays should trade Diaz), we agree fully. The trade has to make sense though. For example, the Rays aren't going to take 2 failed prospects (Parada and Baty) from the Mets in return for Diaz. I'm not even high on Rodriguez, who has no chance of being a top 100 prospect any time soon. Rodriguez doesn't project to field well enough at SS for the Rays and his bat is just sorta good for 2B/3B. He's very young of course and I have no issue with the Rays trading for him as a 2B/3B, but he wouldn't be my first choice for a headliner (or even in my top 5 of asks). Just as my pie-in-the-sky trade proposal might be unrealistic, so too is yours. It's certainly a nice try to clean house for the Mets while also improving a position of need, but it's not a realistic trade proposal.
I wouldnt consider Baty as a failure. I think he was a product of Buck who was hard allowing prospects to play while philosphy has change with Mendoza and stearns. I don't see many teams trading for a 1B/DH type and if it doesnt happen this year next year this deal will not be something they will have on the table or they will just decline his $12M option. Also a 33 yr old 1B w/ negative OAA and project offensive numbers to 40 yr old Justin turner wont receive a top 5 prospect in any organization.
Yea Caminero is definitely a 3B, TB struggled at SS last year and there was no talk of moving him over, that's also part of the reason Paredes got traded, Baty is a hard sell cause they already have Mead that's in a pretty similiar situation as Baty, they definitely wouldn't have interest in Parada cause he's not a mlb catcher, I could see NYM and TB linking up on some trades (Rasmussen, Litell, Diaz, Fairbanks, Clevenger, etc...) but those are the 2 players they probably have the least interest in, I'd be all for TB trying Baty in LF but I think cause the lack of success and the option issue they'd pass on him though
Totally agree with CC (and we are Rays fans). For Yandy, I’d want Benge, Acuna and Y.Rodriguez.
lol not even close to getting Acuna, Benge for Diaz. I rather the Mets put a stop package for Vlad Jr. If you see what Naylor went for no way they will get that type of package for Diaz. I think the biggest thing here is what is intent of getting rid of Diaz for TB and do they believe they could properly develop Baty.
No doubt it’s a dream return, but it also makes sense for the Mets. They don’t really need Acuna with Lindor on the team and Jett Williams and Mauricio knocking on the door, and they have more outfielders than they know what to do with. Trading for Diaz, who is better than Naylor and under contract for 2 years to Naylor’s one year, makes sense in many ways. It even sets the Mets up to sign Vladdy next year. More to the point, signing Alonso to a big money deal will just eat up a ton of cash and lock a declining player into everyday play for years to come. Just look at what the Yankees experienced at 1B last year. Mets need to avoid that.
Couple things here. The comparison with Naylor and Diaz just comes off of their 2024 numbers. The advantage of Naylor he is 6 years younger. Especially with a position like 1B where we have seen teams being reluctant to pay players. I think with Diaz he has regressed from 2023. He is not a great fielder. He has a negative (OAA and a weak arm according to savant) so I’m not sure if his evaluation worth a top 100 prospect? As far as 1B for the Mets I think Streans and a number of years set on him and they will pivot if they can line up. Which does surprise me when it comes to vlad jr but I would just look at him. I think the Mets could slide Vientos to 1B and either trade for a 3B or start the season with Baty or Mauricio or just run it back with Mr. OMG. Yeah they will need to add a bat but I’m in the think of supplementation at this point rather than over paying for Alonso. Don’t get me wrong would love to have him back and such a great Met but I think the guy was Soto and if they just have a filler for 2025 well the guy will be Vlad Jr barring him signing an extension.
Yeah, Diaz has declined from 2023, but that was a career year for him with 5 fWAR and a batting title. If he was projected to duplicate that going forward, the Rays would be asking for the moon in return. You're right that he isn't a great fielder, but he does have a cannon for an arm, which is why he played 3B for half his career. That said, if I ran the Mets, I would strongly consider moving Vientos to 1B and seeing what the Mets have in Baty or Mauricio at 3B. All depends on how important winning the division is to the Mets. If important, they should try to trade for Diaz and field the best team they can. I don't love the Mets pitching, so they'd better be able to score runs. However, if winning the division isn't important, they can always revisit a Yandy trade at the deadline, because if the Rays don't trade Yandy in the offseason, he will be available at the Deadline.
When it comes to the Mets pitching I view it as to what streans has done with milwaukee and i trust the process and his ability to find talent. I think that the least of my concerns in january. As far as 1B it will either be Alonso or Vientos. 3B would not shock me if they just trade for Arenado and get STL to pay down on some his salary while adding impact DH by taking on another salary. I dont think the Mets will wait to the deadline to add a bat. yeah they are patient but a quality bat will come between now and by the end of spring training just like how they did with JD Martinez plus their 40 man roster is at 37 at the moment.