Angels & Brewers
Submitted by: Spikes
Angels
| Name | Age | Level | P1 | P2 | Availability | Years | AFV | Salary | Surplus | Low | Median | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Adrian Houser | 28 | Majors | SP | RHRP | Medium | 3 | 33 | 13.8 | 19.2 | 15.4 | 19.2 | 23.1 |
| Rowdy Tellez | 26 | Majors | 1B | Medium | 3 | 6.4 | 4.9 | 1.5 | 1.2 | 1.5 | 1.8 | |
| Brice Turang | Minors | SS | 14 | 11.8 | 14 | 16.8 |
Total Value:
31.7
Brewers
| Name | Age | Level | P1 | P2 | Availability | Years | AFV | Salary | Surplus | Low | Median | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jared Walsh | 27 | Majors | 1B | Medium | 4 | 46.4 | 21.4 | 25 | 20 | 25 | 30 | |
| Austin Warren | 25 | Majors | RHRP | Low | 6 | 12.2 | 7.6 | 4.6 | 3.7 | 4.6 | 5.5 |
Total Value:
29.6
Comments
23Fills needs on both sides, good looking trade.
Great job Spikes! This does well for both teams. Walsh is the big bat the Brewers are looking for. Warren would fill the pen position if Ashby moved to SP to replace Houser. I believe Tellez is better than people give him credit for, so the Angels aren't losing too much at 1B. I think Turang could compete right away for their hole at SS. Houser gives them a good SP, especially in their ball park.
Thanks!
the brewers laugh at this offer, good starting pitching is worth far more then one dh who is absolutely going to regress and a reliever, you can do way more with the parts they are potentially trading like getting Matt Olson, that would be way better of an option then a 2 war dh
Tyler, you're a hard person to please. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and figure you must be thinking of another player. Jared Walsh plays for the Angels and played in 118 games at 1B and 18 games in the OF. In the 3 seasons he's played in the majors, he has 1 game as a DH. He was an all-star last year and he had the 3rd best fielding percentage as a 1B. Now, if you want to trade for Matt Olson, let's see your proposal. I like Matt Olson too.
Very good trade both ways. One of the better Brewer trades I've seen. Walsh could easily be a 30+ HR and 100+ RBI guy in Milwaukee. He's the #4 hitter they have been looking for. Plus he comes with 4 years control. Warren is a 6-7th inning guy. Angels get a very good SP and a possible starting SS and a decent 1B to replace Walsh.
Thanks!
Wow, looks so nice "win-win trade". You told me you were inspired by my comment, but this plan is much better than my first suggestion. Especially, your idea of "Warren & Lindblom" is veruy unique. For Halos it's much so hard to lose Warren 'cause not only SP but also RP Halos don't have enough but if Lindblom cover the pen (or Lindblom covers the hole of the rotation & Barria will go to pen), Halos will be able to give up Warren. And you add Tellez (he's better than Rojas, present back-up player of Walsh) & Turang (good prospect SS / as everybody knows Halos have long-term problem of middle-infield). As you already knows, Walsh is very weak at lefty pitchings. But though he can hardly hit lefty, adding him to your offense squad is very good, I believe. No reason not to vote down. I voted 2 thumb up for both teams. lol.
Glad you like the trade proposal. I was hoping it would work for both teams.
I hope Mr.Bitzer will pick up this plan as "featured trade".
Done!
I appreciate the framework but honestly I’m not that big into Houser. I am a much bigger fan of the blockbuster 3-way deal that was proposed a little while ago here with LAA/MIL/TB with the Angels receiving Wong, Yandy Diaz, and Mitchell for Walsh. I think they could then flip Mitchell for pitching and Yandy and Wong would fit right into 1B and 2B moving Fletch to SS.
Thanks for your comments Angelshalo and KMMA. Yeah, I also liked that proposal, and it got a lot of up votes for all 3 teams. As I said in my comments on that trade, I think it had benefits for all 3 teams but there were also valid reasons why any of the 3 teams wouldn't make the trade. Each team had to give up key players in that trade that they probably didn't plan on trading. For the Brewers: Wong and Peralta, the Rays: Lowe and the Angels: Walsh. That's tough to do in a 2-team trade and I think even tougher with 3 teams. I'm guessing in the real world; this trade might be more realistic than the blockbuster 3-way deal.
Hi, there. I remember the trade proposal what you talk about. It was also uploaded by Spikes, and main part of it was Lowe for Peralta. If not Mitchell but any pitchings already at major league level, maybe I loved it just like you.
This is an attempt to satisfy the Angels need for pitching and the Brewers need to add another good hitter to the lineup. Brewers: Jared Walsh is a good fielding 1B that hit .277/.340/.509 with an OPS+ of 128. He's a left-handed hitter that clubbed 29 home runs with 98 RBI's last year. He probably would be projected to hit even more home runs at AmFam field in Milwaukee. He hit .333 against right-handed pitching but the bad news is he hit only .170 against lefties. Ironically, the Brewers traded for Mike Brosseau earlier in this off season. He is a right-handed hitter that can play multitude positions including 1B and has a .277/.336/.515 against lefties in his career. That includes 12 home runs in only 216 at bats. My guess if this trade was made, Brosseau would replace Jace Peterson as the utility player and see action at 1B against some lefties. The Brewers would also receive Austin Warren who would compete for a relief role, possibly being used in the 6th and 7th innings along with Cousins. Angels: They get the quality starting pitcher they are looking for in Houser. They also get another pitcher in Lindbloom who would compete for a rotation spot but could also fit nicely as a spot starter or long reliever. He had his problems in 2021 but finished strong in the 2nd half in AAA. Tellez is included in the trade to provide the Angels with a left-handed hitting 1B/DH. He had a rough start in 2021 with Toronto but finished the season with Milwaukee hitting .272 with 7 home runs in 158 at bats. Admittedly, he's a question mark to be the everyday 1B but the potential is there. Houser of course is the prize in this trade, but Turang could turn out to be a great add on to this trade. He can play 2B or SS and was ranked #88 prospect in baseball in 2021. He was drafted out of high school and has been playing against pitchers more advanced and older than him throughout his minor leagues. He was promoted to AAA last year. He is currently blocked at both SS and 2B in Milwaukee. His scouting report: Hitting: 60, Power: 40, Running: 60, Fielding: 50, Arm: 50. I would suspect the Angels would take a close look at him in spring training with the possibility of him making the team this year.
I disagree with your core analysis of what the Angels need as a team, but I completely understand why the Brewers would covet Walsh and Warren. If you would like a more in depth critique of this proposal, I can offer it, but in brief I believe this would be a terrible trade for the Angels considering that their biggest needs are at SS and C presently.
Thank you for your comment. I tried to address the SS position with Turang but he's only 22 and although he would have a chance to break camp as the Angel's SS, it probably is more realistic he would need another year in AAA. The Brewers have depth as far as minor league catchers are concerned and the closest to being MLB ready is the Brewers #13 prospect, Mario Feliciano. He's only appeared in one MLB game thus far so I'm thinking the Angels are looking for someone with more experience. Feliciano walked in his only plate appearance, so you got to love his 1.000 OBP. :-) From what I read; the Angels were actively looking for another starter and that's why I made Houser the key component in the trade. If Walsh and/or Warren would be at the center of a trade for a SS or catcher than this trade would probably not work for the Angels. However, this trade could still be made to improve their pitching and a possible starting SS, (possibly 2022 but probably 2023) and another trade or free agency could be used to fill in the SS and catcher position. Thanks again for your input.
Again, I see the appeal from the Brewer's side, but the Angels have a few complications that preclude them from almost any big trades I think, namely Ohtani's remaining two years on the roster and their lack of trade worthy prospects. They are in a "win now" outlook as a result. It is very difficult for them to make anything more than small moves at the moment. Anyway, I appreciate your thoughtful replies and proposals Spikes. Your insight on the Brewers has been helpful for me in the past. Thank you too!
Yup, I see your point about how the Angels might only make small moves. It should be an interesting week coming up now that we have a settlement. I'm looking forward to seeing what the "REAL" world baseball trades will be like. It should be interesting.
Love it. Very similar logic Spikes. As a crew fan, I'd be all for it. https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/trade-71274/ Not trying to steal any thunder, it just looked very familiar for that group of guys lol.
Oh my gosh! Hey DannyJ, sorry to steal YOUR thunder. Great minds think alike. You came up with this trade back in January. I put this trade proposal together from a couple of proposals that I saw with the Angels and just tried to improve on those offers. I don't remember seeing your trade otherwise I would have told you how much I like it in the comments. lol. Well, we know we like the trade and apparently so do many Angel and Brewers fans from the voting results. I just read that Hiura has been working to change his batting style by reducing the big kick that he had. Potentially, the Brewers won't have to trade for another big hitter. I wonder if Sterns will take a look at spring training results from players like Hiura, Singleton, White, Mathias, and Brosseau before making any trade for hitting. Those players might be longshots but it might be worth the wait. Thanks for your comment.
No problem, I was reading, and I followed the chain of how you came up with it, a legit process. I was just surprised to see a unique deal like that pop up. Good job with the trade idea as well. It's hard to say what way the Brewers will go. Ideally, Yelich and/or Huira will rebound and be that big addition. The other guys you suggested are worthwhile lottery tickets. And the Brewers seem to find good quality ones moderately often. I'd love for Huira to return to his previous form, but I will wait and see how he responds to his changeover with his previous coach.
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Thanks!